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 Post subject: Re: quick selection
PostPosted: Sep 29, 2009 9:15 pm 
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Isidore wrote:
The problem is just that I never know what number will be associated with a given task, as it always changes. What about allowing to press the first letter of the task's name to select it? This would allow me to always activate cmd.exe by doing (Alt+Tab, C), and notepad by (Alt+Tab, N), without even looking at the list.

I thought about something like "Alt-Tab Pin List" (similar to "Pin to Start Menu" command in Windows Vista).

Isidore wrote:
I tried this, but typing letters seems to invoke some other functionality I don't quite understand, like pressing T seems to kill the selected application.

I'll post the full list of shortcut keys soon. Most of them are the same as in TaskSwitchXP:
http://www.ntwind.com/software/taskswit ... tcuts.html


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PostPosted: Sep 29, 2009 10:04 pm 

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Alexander wrote:
JC wrote:
On the 'General' tab you allow users to select an option called 'Replace system Right-Click + Mouse Wheel'. Naturally, this option overrides similar functionality offered by some applications like Firefox or Notepad++. I was wondering if you could implement an exclusion list to that particular behavior. Something along the lines of "Disable this behavior when one of the excluded applications has the focus".

This may slow down the performance (a lot of mouse events to handle). :(

I don't know how you could possibly handle that one but you already have the necessary code for the "Right-Click and Mouse Wheel" stuff. Checking the active window class/title against a small list doesn't sound quite taxing to me.

Maybe I don't see it clearly because I'm lacking sleep ;)


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 Post subject: Re: quick selection
PostPosted: Sep 30, 2009 12:32 am 

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Alexander wrote:
I thought about something like "Alt-Tab Pin List" (similar to "Pin to Start Menu" command in Windows Vista).


I'm not familiar with Vista, so I don't know what this "pin list" is; I suppose the idea is to give tasks a fixed position in the list, so that a given app always corresponds to the same number to type? If so, then this could be a solution indeed. Though I personally think that remembering "C corresponds to cmd" and "N corresponds to notepad" is a good deal easier than remembering "2 corresponds to cmd" and "6 corresponds to notepad".

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PostPosted: Oct 02, 2009 8:12 pm 
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JC wrote:
I don't know how you could possibly handle that one but you already have the necessary code for the "Right-Click and Mouse Wheel" stuff. Checking the active window class/title against a small list doesn't sound quite taxing to me.

GetCurrentProcessName + GetClassName + GetWindowText + 1-3 StrCmp inside a system-wide mouse hook -- this is a bad practice. When you are writing a system-wide hook, you need to return control to the system (or other hooks) as fast as possible.


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 Post subject: Re: quick selection
PostPosted: Oct 02, 2009 8:17 pm 
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Isidore wrote:
I suppose the idea is to give tasks a fixed position in the list, so that a given app always corresponds to the same number to type?

Yes, the same number + visually appear on the same place

Isidore wrote:
Though I personally think that remembering "C corresponds to cmd" and "N corresponds to notepad" is a good deal easier than remembering "2 corresponds to cmd" and "6 corresponds to notepad".

I'll consider adding this as an option. Thanks for feedback!


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PostPosted: Oct 02, 2009 9:30 pm 

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Alexander wrote:
JC wrote:
I don't know how you could possibly handle that one but you already have the necessary code for the "Right-Click and Mouse Wheel" stuff. Checking the active window class/title against a small list doesn't sound quite taxing to me.

GetCurrentProcessName + GetClassName + GetWindowText + 1-3 StrCmp inside a system-wide mouse hook -- this is a bad practice. When you are writing a system-wide hook, you need to return control to the system (or other hooks) as fast as possible.

Oh! I never thought about it that way. It seemed to me that if my mouse driver can get away with it, so can you. Sorry about that.

What about minimizing the impact on the system by only checking a boolean value? The boolean would have to be set if you switched to an excluded application. I'm clutching at straws here but I'll use VistaSwitcher regardless. :)

It works flawlessly on five systems (Windows XP, with different Service Packs installed). I don't use previews.


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 Post subject: task list: implement/enable grid view as in XP
PostPosted: Oct 03, 2009 8:02 am 

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hi,

1st
thanks for this tool i have loved it since knowing it.

2nd
i just had to witched from the TSXP to VistaSwitcher b/c on win7 with areo it cant bind alt+tab.
my workaround so far: disable aero, for i need TSXP as explained below:

note: when windows boots w/o aero TSXP can grab the alt+tab and then i could turn on aero and it still works (first comes first served.) but if win7 start with aero switching to classic wont free the alt+tab combo.

here my input for VS before i can use it:

  1. the first hing i noticed and missed is the import/export of settings. i had hoped to import those from XP. ah well :sigh:
  2. the 2nd is a showstopper:
    the config has no section to do a grid view of the tasks as TSXP does! i totally need this as a developer b/c i have always a ton of apps (20-30) open at the same time (this is just on my main desktop! using already the beloved VirtuaWin to get a little, or order in things)

    the grid is essential to navigate quickly thru the list with the arrow keys b/c going up and down will skip a whole row. (7 columns , 10 rows in my cas).


plz add these 2 ASAP.

if there is some other way to selct an app as discussed below i'd like that too. btw: with the nubers: how do i quickly select eg. app 17? press "1" 7 times?

do you know the new address bar in firefox > 3.0? i'd imagine smth. similar to this:
a key shortcut will open a text box that will take a pattern sequences delimited by space.
these are the terms that must be contained somewhere in the apps windows title and/or exe path/name and/or program name (which of these fields ae searched is config'able).

the input then would filter the app listed, and all navigation in the list is then limited to these.

that would really speed up selecting the right app and as other have desired: should be fairly constant in selecting the app - at least i know my terms to get the urls that i frequently visit in FF.

additionally VS could sort the apps in order of previous activations, which speeds up things even more.


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 Post subject: Suggestions for some more keyboard triggers
PostPosted: Oct 03, 2009 10:33 pm 

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I agree with all the others enjoying this taskswitcher quite a bit (I currently prefer TaskSwitchXP over VistaSwitcher still, due to the (still) higher functionality and stability). However, great job! This tool is extremely helpful (like WindowSpace, btw.)

I have some suggestions primarily for certain keyboard actions that would be very helpful (I'm a writer, therefore the way to the mouse is pretty long sometimes :wink: ...)

  • A key to activate the "sort by task name" right after pushing ALT+Tab.
    • Actually, I wonder whether it wouldn't even make sense to have a similar option that just groups the tasks by application, but keeps the order of the groups and, within each group, the order of the related tasks as it was in the original list. This option might even be actived then by default, if a user likes, without confusing the original ALT+Tab behaviour too much.
    • There also could be a difference between pressing ALT+Tab repeatedly and using the cursor keys: In a sorted list, Alt+Tab still could jump to the same tasks as it would do in the unsorted list, and the cursor keys would walk through the list according to the list order
  • In the sorted list: Pressing PageDown/Up instead of CursorDown/Up jumps to the next/previous group of tasks (i.e. the next application).
  • The numbers in the list are a great idea. It triggered another thought though: What about having a behaviour like in other applications with lists: If you type one or more letters, the next task beginning with these letters is highlighted; if you type the same letter twice or more, it cycles through all tasks that begin with that letter.
  • A shortcut to enable/disable the sticky mode. Maybe also a certain key right after pressing ALT+Tab, e.g. the Space bar, to make the window sticky for this time.
  • An option in the context menu of the taskswitcher window to access the Preferences dialog would be great. That's where I search it first all the time. I know, at least TaskSwitchXP has a kyeboard shortcut for this, but I don't use the menu often enough to keep the shortcut in mind, and the other alternative - the icon in the system tray - is pretty much like the neelde in the haystack :wink:


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PostPosted: Oct 04, 2009 7:24 am 

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Hello!

A very simple (ans stupid?) question, to which I could not find an answer from any place: does this new VistaSwitcher work at Windows XP too?

Thanks!


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PostPosted: Oct 04, 2009 4:21 pm 

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Yes it does.
Look at the first post:

Supported OS: Windows XP/Vista/7 (32-bit and 64-bit)

So if I got it right, VistaSwitcher will replace the TaskSwitchXP when its done, right?

I read about tasknumbers. Is this meaning, that the list of apps are numbered from 1 to n?

Thanks :D

IT

Edit: An I forgot to say I'm happy to see it alive again. Thanks for your good work Alex!!


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 Post subject: annoying flicker with silverlight
PostPosted: Oct 05, 2009 12:28 am 

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This could just as easily be a bug in silverlight, but it's pretty annoying. When viewing the Netflix player, or Sunday night football, or any other silverlight stream, there's a substantial flicker when using the new beta. It makes it nearly unusable.


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 Post subject: Re: task list: implement/enable grid view as in XP
PostPosted: Oct 05, 2009 5:05 pm 
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elonderin wrote:
[*] the first hing i noticed and missed is the import/export of settings. i had hoped to import those from XP. ah well :sigh:

The settings are different from TSXP -- no way to import/export them.

elonderin wrote:
the grid is essential to navigate quickly thru the list with the arrow keys b/c going up and down will skip a whole row. (7 columns , 10 rows in my cas).

Maybe I'll allow to modify some advanced UI settings via INI files (Appearance tab, Themes).


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 Post subject: Re: Suggestions for some more keyboard triggers
PostPosted: Oct 05, 2009 5:29 pm 
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eme wrote:
  • A key to activate the "sort by task name" right after pushing ALT+Tab.
    • Actually, I wonder whether it wouldn't even make sense to have a similar option that just groups the tasks by application, but keeps the order of the groups and, within each group, the order of the related tasks as it was in the original list. This option might even be actived then by default, if a user likes, without confusing the original ALT+Tab behaviour too much.
    • There also could be a difference between pressing ALT+Tab repeatedly and using the cursor keys: In a sorted list, Alt+Tab still could jump to the same tasks as it would do in the unsorted list, and the cursor keys would walk through the list according to the list order
  • In the sorted list: Pressing PageDown/Up instead of CursorDown/Up jumps to the next/previous group of tasks (i.e. the next application).
  • The numbers in the list are a great idea. It triggered another thought though: What about having a behaviour like in other applications with lists: If you type one or more letters, the next task beginning with these letters is highlighted; if you type the same letter twice or more, it cycles through all tasks that begin with that letter.

Some kind of advanced sorting / grouping would be great. I'll check this after releasing the final 1.0 version.

eme wrote:
  • A shortcut to enable/disable the sticky mode. Maybe also a certain key right after pressing ALT+Tab, e.g. the Space bar, to make the window sticky for this time.

The shortcut is Z -- I forgot to mention it on the website.

eme wrote:
  • An option in the context menu of the taskswitcher window to access the Preferences dialog would be great. That's where I search it first all the time. I know, at least TaskSwitchXP has a kyeboard shortcut for this, but I don't use the menu often enough to keep the shortcut in mind, and the other alternative - the icon in the system tray - is pretty much like the neelde in the haystack

This should be improved in the next releases. 8)

Thanks for ideas!


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PostPosted: Oct 05, 2009 5:36 pm 
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Irontiger wrote:
So if I got it right, VistaSwitcher will replace the TaskSwitchXP when its done, right?

I still recommend to use TaskSwitchXP instead of VistaSwitcher on old computers (that are not Vista-compatible). But I won't release any new versions of TaskSwitchXP.

Irontiger wrote:
I read about tasknumbers. Is this meaning, that the list of apps are numbered from 1 to n?

Yep. Preferences, Behavior tab, check "Show task numbers".


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 Post subject: Re: annoying flicker with silverlight
PostPosted: Oct 05, 2009 5:38 pm 
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bbendick wrote:
This could just as easily be a bug in silverlight, but it's pretty annoying. When viewing the Netflix player, or Sunday night football, or any other silverlight stream, there's a substantial flicker when using the new beta. It makes it nearly unusable.

What OS are you running? XP?


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